Marantz VP-11S1 DLP Projector

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Conclusion
This is simply one of the best consumer projectors on the market at this time. Purchasing a projector is a major decision and I would recommend taking a close look at several projectors before making your decision. Before I saw the VP-11S1, I was a bit skeptical of the first generation of 1920 by 1080 DLP projectors, but I must admit the picture is excellent and I wouldn't hesitate to buy this projector. Without question, it hangs with, if not on some levels out-performs, the likes of the Sony "Ruby" and the JVC HD10k. Quite simply, as a reviewer I have had the opportunity to see many projectors at many demonstrations but I have yet to see any projector, at any price, consistently perform as well as the VP-11S1. Sure, the next generation will likely be better, as is always the case, but this projector is a revolutionary rather than evolutionary improvement from the prior generation and I would want to enjoy its amazing images now rather than wait to see what next year will bring. Personally, I am going to put my money where my mouth is and buy the review unit.

http://www.avrev.com/equip/marantz_vp11s1_projector/

[Kjelt]

Retailing for $19,999

De prijs is ook revolutionair te noemen 

[jaco]

De prijs is ook revolutionair te noemen 

Ja, anderen verkopen 3 chip DLP's voor minder. (wel een paar pixels minder, maar goed)

[Robbo]

nee hoor, 3x 1280*720 is meer dan 1x 1920*1080   

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Marantz mikt nu eenmaal op de top van de markt. De meer mainstream merken zullen aanzienlijk goedkopere 1080DLP projectoren aanbieden

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Press release:
http://www.audioholics.com/news/pressreleases/Marantz1080pDLPprojector.php

[Robbo]

Dat blijkt wel uit de laatste alinea van de pressrelease.

Mooi ISCO III lensje ervoor (vertical stretch in de projector!);  dual masking screen en kijken maar

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Weer een bijzonder positieve review:
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/506marantzvp11s1/index1.html

The VP-11S1 is simply one of the very best projectors I've had in my home,. It looks terrific with any source material, and especially dazzles with the best 1920x1080 HD feeds. The resolution is the most tack-sharp, crisp and dimensional I've seen from front projection, and whenever the program material is up to it this projector consistently lands in that "looking through a window" level of pop.

And really, the only projectors I've seen that compete are Faroudja's 1080p D-ILA and Sony's Qualia 004. While the Marantz isn't cheap at $20K, and is significantly more expensive than the nearly identical VP-12S4 (only a million pixels or so separate the two!), consider that the Faroudja and Sony rigs I describe above, which fall short of the VP-11S1's performance in some key respects, cost much more than the Marantz. The Qualia 004 was $30K when I reviewed it and the Faroudja rig costs over $40K.

Firing up the VP-11S1 the NBA playoffs were one of the first things I watched, on ABC in 720p. The picture was simply and purely amazing. Deep vision into the crowds, the mesh holes in the players' jerseys, the fine textures in Pat Riley's tailored suits, it was all there, in three dimensions with as much "you are there" as you can get without dropping a few thousand bucks a head to sit courtside. And while this seems like gearhead minutiae, it's not. The drama actually heightens when you can see few new beads of sweat pop out on Dwayne Wade's forehead as he prepares to ice another critical pair of free throws!

Although in theory the ABC broadcast's 720p resolution means that this image shouldn't look any better on the VP-11S1 than with the native 720p VP-12S4, my initial impression is that it certainly did. The picture looked a little brighter, and a little punchier, as though the blacks were a little deeper too. Two things are going on here. One, the Gennum processing is the real deal. There appears to be no loss of resolution whatsoever upconverting 720p to the VP-11S1's native 1080p, which means the processing is just superb and essentially lossless. While I'm mostly a movie watcher, even poorer standard-def feeds like Comedy Central from DirecTV look surprisingly watchable on this projector. It's still not great due to the inherent poor quality of the signal, but the VP-11S1's Gennum powered processing not only does no further damage, it makes lower quality feeds less painful than I've seen on other rigs.

The second thing is that the 2.2 Standard gamma curve is new (the VP-12S4's gamma is closer to 2.0) and I think this had a lot to do with my initial impression that the VP-11S1 has better blacks and contrast than the VP-12S4. Certainly, the 11S1 is right in there with the VP-12S4 subjectively, which is to say its blacks and contrast are among the best I've seen from any projector that's not a CRT. But the 11S1 unequivocally looks a bit punchier with virtually all material, and with movies looks yet another increment more film-like, and a little less like video than even the excellent VP-12S4. I'll be interested to what TJN's measurements say, if the actual contrast measures better than the S4 or if the new gamma curve is just making it seem so.

The CRT reference above is a little bit of a backhanded swipe, by the way. Projectors like the VP-11S1 are so good with blacks and contrast that the specter of the CRT needn't be raised at all. There wasn't a single scene I watched in any movie that had me wishing for deeper blacks and better contrast. Even sparsely lit films with lots of dark scenes on HD DVD, such as Million Dollar Baby and Unforgiven (yeah, Clint likes natural lighting, which is to say he likes to shoot in the dark!) revealed just the right amount of information and obscured the right amount of information.

These excellent blacks and shadow detail are in fact what separate this projector in my estimation, from the Sony and Faroudja projectors referenced above. Even "TV shows" in HD like HBO's The Sopranos and have lots of dim, naturally lit scenes that depend as much on what you don't see as what you do. Neither of those projectors performs as well in such scenes as the VP-11S1, and compared to the Qualia the Marantz maintains better subjective contrast in scenes in which a mix of very light and very dark share the screen. The Faroudja looks awesome under most circumstances, but really doesn't have the blacks to compete on dark imagery.

While it's certainly a plus for the Faroudja and Sony projectors to be based on three-chip technology, with no color wheel, I can't honestly say the 11S1's color wheel ever intruded on the viewing experience. I've considered myself medium-sensitive to rainbow artifacts, but with this projector they just weren't there. Not that I could ever detect anyway. This projector is the single-chip champ in that regard.

Also, while the Faroudja rig does an excellent job of making standard –def DVD look remarkably detailed and film-like converted up to 1080p, HD is much more prevalent now on satellite and, in my house, on disc with HD DVD. The Marantz more consistently provides jaw-dropping, razor-sharp imagery with 1080i HD.

In fact, this projector had me eating some words. At HE 2006 I told some well-meaning enthusiasts that the best 720p projectors are remarkably adept with 1080i material, and that the increased resolution of 1080p isn't as overwhelming in practice as the sheer numbers suggest.

Well, folks, I'm taking that one back. Not only did the remarkable detail and dimensionality of the best HD DVD transfers pop more on this 1080p projector, it was a much better tool for discerning the differences between the very good HD DVD transfers and the great HD DVD transfers. That "next level" in quality, the one that separates Apollo 13 or Serenity from The Perfect Storm or the The Fugitive is exactly where this projector takes you. And it is clearly another level up from 720p

In short, although HD is generally excellent, your HD needs to be at its very best to distinguish itself here. And that goes for the camera operators too! If you're a smidge out of focus the people who own this projector will see it quite clearly!

I've also been recording HD from DirecTV via TiVo and comparing those broadcasts to HD DVDs when possible. The VP-11S1 reveals any differences that exist with clinical precision. Compression artifacts, motion artifacts, or just plain differences in clarity and sharpness, the VP-11S1 captures them clearly. This is a powerful reference tool in evaluating the quality of HD sources comparatively to one another.

And this is not to say that the VP-11S1's performance is any less stellar with DVDs, either at 480p or upcoverted to 1080i by Toshiba's HD-XA1. It's just that DVD is a lot harder to watch now that HD DVD is on the scene, with new discs trickling out every week. Via HDMI the Marantz looks simply stunning with sources from 480p and up. If HD isn't yet a steady part of your viewing diet, don't be concerned that this projector won't offer benefits with your legacy video.

I watched mostly HDMI, and was rewarded with better picture quality. 480p, 720p and 1080i/p via HDMI were, as you can see in the Measurements section, all essentially perfect. All the resolution that goes in comes out. With component video at 1080i there's just a little drop in clarity and sharpness compared to HDMI, and 720p is noticeably softer in the top frequencies. 480i/p via component disappointed me though. 480i/p component were noticeably softer and noisier, and the measurements back up that impression. Hopefully this is a pre-production anomaly. 480i/p via component aren't the connection option of choice anymore, but I'd still like to see better performance from a projector in this price range.

Another thing worth mentioning is that while the Gennum video processing solution used here is 10-bit from end to end, the gamma processing that' part of TI's 1080p DMD is spec'd at 12-bit. Perhaps as a result, the 11S1 also has less dithering noise in dark scenes than any DLP I've seen, especially with HD DVD as a source. Whether it's the black vacuum of space in Apollo 13 and Serenity, or the dim, naturalistic lighting in the Gem saloon in HBO's Deadwood the Marantz not only extends well into black for great dynamic range, it's as clean and noise free as I've seen from digital projection.

How about the color fidelity of this projector, compared to Marantz projectors past? The VP-11S1 deftly avoids the nuclear greens that too many digital displays still exhibit, but the flesh tones look very slightly less natural to me. Maybe TJN and his Photo Research will pull my pants down on this one, but subjectively I have a slight preference for the colors I see from the VP-12S4, but to be certain I didn't see anything I'd trade a million pixels for.

Another thing worth mentioning in this ever-changing day and age is that this projector can and does accept a 1080p input. This I confirmed courtesy of Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-ray Disc player, which arrived jus a few days before I wrapped up this review, and outputs 1080p/60 from Blu-ray. Marantz specifies that the projector will also accept the 1080/24p output option expected on other upcoming Blu-ray players (the Samsung does not offer a 1080p/24 output), though they are converted to 1080/60p by the projector. According to Marantz's Dan Miller there is already a firmware update in the works that will allow the VP-11S1 to show 1080/24p sources at 48fps, which as a multiple of film's 24fps eliminate the temporal distortions that occur in converting to 60fps.

In the limited switching back and forth between 1080i and 1080p I was able to do with the Samsung didn't reveal any significant differences between the two. The Gennum chip set is capable of deinterlacing 1080i material and also performing inverse telecine with film source 1080i. In other words, at least at 60fps, 1080i on the Marantz looks every bit as good as the 1080p we've seen so far. I'll let you know what I see at 48fps when I see it.

The White Elephant
Obviously the vacuum in my experience is Sony's VPL-VW100 ($10K), better known simply as the "Ruby." I've not experienced this projector except at trade shows, and so like you I'm left to parse my experiences here with TJN's review and measurement of that projector.

On the surface of it, the Sony is a three-chip projector with no color wheel. While I didn't notice the VP-11S1's color wheel, there's no question that having it out of the equation entirely is best. And whatever performance differences might exist between the two, the Ruby leaves a lot of scratch on the table for you to put into your system somewhere else, or pay at least a part of a year of college for one of your kids!

To be fair to Marantz, $15-$20K seems to be setting up as the standard price range for single-chip 1080p DLPs. It's not overpriced in that sense. But one still has to acknowledge that there is a heralded competitor out there for substantially less.

Conclusion
While the price, at a full $9K more than the VP-12S4, gives me some hesitation (perhaps based on pure jealousy!), I have no reservations whatsoever about any aspect of the VP-11S1's performance. Its few flaws are utterly marginalized buy its top-flight performance in all respects.

It's nothing short of dazzling with the best sources, but it's also remarkably consistent across all formats, resolutions, and scenery, light and dark or a wicked mix of the two. I simply couldn't find a chink in this projector's armor without going all the way down to 480i/p via component video, which is now officially "legacy" video.

And that's an important note. There's more HD than ever available on all forms of broadcast, and now from not one but two disc formats. 1920x1080 is the most prevalent form of HD on all formats, and 1080p projectors like this are the only way to extract every ounce of video goodness from these sources. Sad but true, and coming from a man who just spent his own money on a 720p projector! It's still HD at 720p, but it's not the top of the food chain, and those extra pixels do matter.

Using this projector as I have for the last few months to compare HD programs to one another this projector consistently revealed all differences, big and small. This is what the term "reference quality" means, and that's why the VP-11S1 now has the kind of love letter review that so few components earn. Well done!

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review:
To be fair to Marantz, $15-$20K seems to be setting up as the standard price range for single-chip 1080p DLPs. It's not overpriced in that sense.

Pffffff zeker nog niet van de Optoma H81 gehoord 

[Marcel_T.]

Duitse adviesprijs is 15.000 euro, zijn we dan in Europa éindelijk goedkoper dan in de USA?

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Duitse adviesprijs is 15.000 euro, zijn we dan in Europa éindelijk goedkoper dan in de USA?

Ben je een tijdje op vakantie geweest? 1 euro = 1,28 US dollar oftewel 15000 euro +-= $19000

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Ben je een tijdje op vakantie geweest? 1 euro = 1,28 US dollar oftewel 15000 euro +-= $19000

Die vlieger gaat jammer genoeg niet altijd op.

[Marcel_T.]

Ik ben idd al op vakantie geweest...maar meestal is voor hifi/av de dollarprijs ook de europrijs.

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Ik ben idd al op vakantie geweest...maar meestal is voor hifi/av de dollarprijs ook de europrijs.

Als je amerikaanse spullen wilt hebben dan is de europrijs minstens gelijk aan de europrijs omdat het valutaverschil van ruim 25% alweer wordt gecompenseerd door invoerbelasting 19% en douanekosten en vaak ook nog eens dealerkosten en shippingcosts.

Als je europese spullen wilt hebben dan is dit natuurlijk niet zo en is de prijs in Amerika vaak hoger in $ dan in europa in €.

Hmmm Marantz is toch japans? tja dan weet ik het ook niet 

[neptune]

Als je amerikaanse spullen wilt hebben dan is de europrijs minstens gelijk aan de europrijs omdat het valutaverschil van ruim 25% alweer wordt gecompenseerd door invoerbelasting 19% en douanekosten en vaak ook nog eens dealerkosten en shippingcosts.

Als je europese spullen wilt hebben dan is dit natuurlijk niet zo en is de prijs in Amerika vaak hoger in $ dan in europa in €.

Hmmm Marantz is toch japans? tja dan weet ik het ook niet 

je hebt daarvoor toch zoiets als pricejapan.com ?

[neptune]

ik heb ze voor de gein om een price quote gevraagd, ben benieuwd

[neptune]

ik heb ze voor de gein om een price quote gevraagd, ben benieuwd

Hierbij het antwoord, helaas geen prijs:

sorry for late reply.

We don't sell Marantz projectors, because they does not have English OSD in Japan.



Kaneda
www.pricejapan.com

[NeoPhix]

Ik heb deze beamer ook in actie mogen zien een week terug. Hoewel dit voor het eerst was dat ik een dergelijke beeldkwaliteit (1080p) kreeg voorgeschoteld, en dus geen vergelijkingsmateriaal heb, kan ik maar één ding zeggen:

Film kijken wordt in de toekomst zoveel meer plezier... 

Om dan te denken dat dit over een jaar of 5 redelijk gemeengoed zal zijn... fantastisch.